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What Plexus Exposes about the American Church how lovers and haters are missing the point

First of all, let’s be honest. Everyone reading this post is coming with already heated emotions on the topic of Plexus products.

It’s not a new discussion. Ever since it hit the market, there’s been tense controversy over it. Whether you’re for it or against it, you will likely read this post with an already developed bias and either agree with me or disagree with me based on that bias and most likely miss the point of the entire post.

So why would I dare waste my morning writing a few thousand words that may fall on deaf ears?

Because Plexus exposes something about the American church. Not the product itself, although I do plan to share a few statistics and resources concerning it. But rather, the phenomenon of Plexus Worldwide exposes something about the hearts of American christians.

This article is not about finalizing an opinion on the brand, but on what it exposes and how to deal with it. This issue has everything to do with the future spiritual life and health of the church. That’s why I feel compelled to address it.

Even if I get my head cut off for it.

Eight months ago I made a Facebook post on the subject and received more hate mail from Christians than I have ever gotten in my life. On one hand, it was good because people were praying that I would have a radical encounter with Jesus, which is something I pray for every day. I need much more of Him!

On the other hand, it was exhausting and discouraging because I was accused of not being filled with the Spirit of God and for being egotistical. That hurt. Not because it humbled me, but because it was the Spirit of God that prompted me to say something in the first place. I had put it off for months because I knew it was a heated topic. Yet, I couldn’t shake it. Furthermore, I said what I did because of a deep love and concern for my fellow brothers and sisters, not a hatred for them.

So I’m no foreigner to the high temperature associated with this discussion.

My friend Hans is familiar with the heat of Plexus talks as well. Last week he posted a video on Facebook that described how you can make Plexus Slim for much cheaper than you can buy it. For the most part, people missed the point and it turned into another heated discussion with over 150 comments.

There is no way I can post something online having to do with Plexus without getting feedback from people. It’s inevitable.

Is it worth it? Maybe not.

But I’m going to try because I believe the field is ripe in America. People young and old, Mennonite or non-Mennonite are hungry for authentic discipleship of Christ.

Why are they hungry for that?

Because the American church (all denominations included) has tremendously misplaced priorities. And Plexus is one of the ways that is exposed.

You could stick a number of things in there: presidential elections, March Madness, child training, what we argue about in church, organic diapers—the list goes on and on. But Plexus takes these misplaced priorities to a whole new level. Really, all health discussions do.

I’m talking about people on both sides of the issue. Have you ever noticed in the discussions on Facebook how everyone, regardless of sides, can be down right belittling and rude with each other? One person comments about another’s judgmental attitude all the while using words that indicate cynicism and disrespect. No one is better than the other. No one is solving issues. In fact, they usually only create more.

So how is it that Plexus exposes misplaced priorities in the American church?

Let me explain a little bit of the background behind the muddled, messy discussions around Plexus and why it easily gets heated.

People are frustrated by doctors that seem more concerned about their paycheck’s than they are about truly helping people find lasting healing. We all have had those experiences where the doctor disappointed us, and we’ve all heard horror stories of malpractice and horrific side-effects of certain drugs.

We are suspicious of doctors, frustrated with the modern medical system and hate the current insurance arrangement.

My brother is currently pursuing his medical degree with Drexel University and he knows first-hand how people doubt the sincerity and credibility of those in the medical field. Some people are full of conspiracy theories about doctors and hospitals. Everyone seems to have this impression that people go into the medical field because it’s a good income. That’s all it’s about, to some people.

Turns out it must be.

I first heard about Plexus in the summer of 2014. I believe it really started hitting the market around 2011. But from July of 2014 until now, friend after friend has dove into the Plexus taskforce and began promoting it through their personal Facebook profiles. It became annoying, to be honest. Hardly anything was on Facebook that didn’t have to do with Plexus.

And why not? The product is helping people feel better and ambassadors are raking in the money!

Personally, I’m a little confused as to who is more concerned about their pocketbooks. I know there are doctors who have little care for people and plenty of concern for their 401k’s. But did you know according to payscale.com that the average doctor, who has spent roughly eleven years in strenuous, formal training on the body and how it functions, makes $180,000 annually? Anywhere between $50,000 and $75,000 is then spent on malpractice insurance. So the average doctor keeps roughly $105,000-$130,000 of his annual income.

Pretty nice, right? I’d be tempted to do it for the money! It’s certainly more than what I make right now.

But did you also know that a top-level Diamond Ambassador of Plexus Worldwide makes $442,000 annually? And they don’t have to spend the years in school or pay malpractice insurance.

So I’m kind of confused because I am personally more tempted to pursue the faster, larger income of selling Plexus products than I am to pursue eleven years of study that would bore me to death and then still only make a measly amount of $100,000. Unless, of course, I had an insatiable interest in the human body, and a passion to help others find healing.

My point isn’t to criticize Plexus. My point is to bring to surface why this topic creates high emotions that expose lack of character and integrity among Christ-followers on either side of the discussion.

I think you’re starting to see it.

There are a few concerns I have with Plexus, specifically. It concerns me the way the sales pitch is spiritualized. One of the most disturbing scenes is a Bible on a table with a Plexus Slim bottle in the backdrop and a sanctimonious testimony of how faithful God is and how they are grateful to Him for health.

The reaction to this concern is usually, “We’re just giving God the glory. You spiritualize things too.” My response to that is no, I don’t. And no, you aren’t.

I don’t try to sell you a man-made product by appealing to your spiritual side, unless the product I am selling is for your spiritual growth and benefit, such as a book. Furthermore, I’m not certain the focus is on giving God glory as much as it is justifying an obsession with health and a certain product.

People who have been helped by a doctor don’t go around giving raving testimonies of the tools and practices of their doctor as the way God brought healing. Sure, if you talk with them closely they may tell you some of that. But they testify about God and the fact that He was gracious enough to heal. They’re not focused on using the opportunity to promote their family physician.

However, if something sells better when you spiritualize it, people usually do. Plexus is a great way to make money (as I pointed out before), so those that get involved will try to sell it. And to be honest with you, that’s okay. I sell products I enjoy and have found helpful, as well. There’s nothing wrong with that. There’s nothing wrong with getting rich, either. But it concerns me when we try to spiritualize our sales pitches.

There’s a lot of things we don’t know about Plexus. I have more on that later.

But one thing we know for sure is that it’s a fabulous business opportunity. If you have been involved in Plexus Worldwide in the last four years, you have hit gold (pun intended) and that’s awesome. But let’s be honest about it—that’s what Plexus is. A business opportunity. How can we cast suspicion on doctors who have spent years getting professional training as being in it for the money, when we are making more then them and didn’t have to do the work to get there?

We’re also in it for the money. At least, if we’re a dedicated ambassador of it.

And that’s fine.

But even from a business perspective, it’s not a lasting market. That’s another concern I have. It is a fad. Give it another two years and I’ll be surprised if it’s still around. Especially, when we realize you can make it with the same ingredients for a fifth of the price. It’s foolish to base our financial future on this one fleeting business opportunity.

But so many people have, and that’s another reason it is a heated topic.

I’d feel threatened if you tried taking away my income as well.

The fact that people are making money from it isn’t the issue. Too many of you who are against Plexus can’t get past that. Honestly, it ruins every discussion to get caught up in the horrors of MLM marketing or the guilt trips on those profiting from it. The issues may be manipulating people to buy the product through spiritualizing the sales pitch, overpromising in their marketing strategy or several other things. But it is not the fact that people are getting rich off of it.

It’s a great way to make money and anyone with a business mind will have seized the opportunity of this fad.

But why is it such a good way to make money? Let’s actually talk about the issues if we have a problem with it.

Plexus Worldwide makes bold promises with their products. So bold that even if a portion of them come true, because of incredible financial potential from it people will easily jump aboard.

What are the promises?

Immediate results. Weight loss. Energy. Relief from aches and pains. You don’t have to spend years in a mysterious maze sorting through medical examinations trying to figure out what’s wrong.

And who wouldn’t spend money for that, right now? If you’re struggling with migraine headaches and you discover a product that could take that away, of course you’d go all in.

But here’s my concern: medically, this product is untested.

Remember, many of these people are natural fanatics convinced the medical system is full of conspirators who want to kill your newborn babies. Yet, they are selling you on a completely untested product that has ingredients eerily similar to Red Bull. According to studies, the green coffee extract used in Plexus Slim can cause heart issues if used for long periods of time. What people using Plexus end up with heart issues?

I understand wanting be healthy and free from physical issues, but what if this product that has been the savior for many causes serious illness later on?

We simply don’t know. Even though Plexus Worldwide claims to have clinically tested their products, they have yet to provide any sources of such testing. There is a lot we don’t know about Plexus and its true effectiveness as a health product. But people are getting filthy rich in the process.

Again, getting rich isn’t the issue. But getting rich on something that may be dangerous is an integrity issue.

And these are Christ-followers selling it. Integrity is absolutely crucial.

At the same time, because it hasn’t been tested we can’t say for sure that it will cause negative side-effects. So we need to be careful as we talk that we don’t demonize Plexus supporters. They are experiencing results. If I was experiencing such tremendous results over certain issues, I would be really tempted to get involved as well. So let’s make sure we keep our guns down and continue looking at the facts and the real issues.

One response I’ve gotten after talking about the medical dangers of Plexus in the same conversation of talking about misplaced priorities is, “How can you bash plexus users for worshipping health when you’re concerned with the health by speaking of the medical dangers?”

There is a difference between being a good steward of my body and worshipping my health.

bible study and plexus slim

Good stewards are disciplined, don’t over-eat, and live within the margins of their physical abilities. People who worship their health want to live their lives, but they want to be able to feel good while they do it. Most testimonials of Plexus resemble the later more than the former.

There is a lot we don’t know about Plexus which is why I’m going to now just let that be. At the end of the day it’s up to you whether you want to take the risk or not. And if you succeed physically and financially, that’s wonderful! There’s no problem with that.

Here’s what we can’t ignore, though: everyone of us will give account of our lives, whether our treasure was in our health and finances or in Jesus and leading people to Him.

God wants us to be healthy. He calls us to be good stewards of our bodies. But he does not promise that we will always be healthy and experience healing. Nor does He say that as His disciples we deserve good health. No matter what side of the Plexus discussion we’re on, too many us live with this mindset that we deserve good health. God doesn’t promise that, yet, He calls us to a life of faithful obedience and a life of joy regardless of how we feel.

Plexus exposes the misplaced priorities in the American church. Many things expose it, but Plexus really brings to light the fact that we value health and money more than Jesus Christ and making disciples of Him.

The biggest clue is how heated people get over it, whether for it or against it. If you are for it, you will feel threatened by people degrading your source of income. If you are against it, you’ll be angered by people making loads of money off of something that may cause you harm. Yet, both of those have their treasure in something other than Jesus.

Worshipping my health or money is exposed by intense emotions when someone attempts to take either one away.

If I am truly caring for my body, I will be sensitive. I will want to know the way Plexus has helped. I will also want to know the ways Plexus could be potentially dangerous to me in the future.

If I am truly just wanting to provide for my family, I will do my best to earn a good income, but within the margins of integrity and character. Furthermore, I will understand that all income is momentary. Some, more momentary than others.

But the heated hatred and blatant disrespect over this topic leaves us guilty. We live in such a wealthy nation, that we have the time and energy to argue over such things. We live in such a spiritually arrogant society that we can justify our involvement in such arguments.

We need to evaluate and realign our priorities in life around Jesus Christ and being a faithful disciple and disciple-maker of Him.

That’s our calling. If we are healthy and rich along the way, praise God. If we face physical illness and lack of finances, it’s okay. We are called to seek His kingdom first. And then all the food, clothing and material provisions will be added unto us.

What are you seeking? What makes you most angry? That Trump is leading in the primaries, your church’s dress standard, that you haven’t talked with your neighbor in the last week, or that people don’t agree with your promotion of Plexus?

Your answer reveals how closely your heart is aligned with God’s. Don’t waste your life by becoming successful at the wrong thing.

Make sure God is on the throne of your life. And if He is, His love will overflow from you to those around you, even when you don’t agree with them. Your life will shout His glory. People won’t see your righteousness; neither will they see your Plexus bottle. They will see and experience Jesus.

That’s what authentic Christianity looks like. Is that who you are?

Question: Do you believe deep within your heart that when Christ returns He will ask you what you have done with the spiritual Life He gave you? If that were to be today, what would be your answer? Share in the comments here.

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About Asher Witmer

I am a son of God, husband, father, and difference maker. I love helping people sort through hard questions they face and rediscover Jesus. I have written three eBooks dealing with church frustrations, and send out daily posts addressing faith, church and relationships.

  • Stacey

    Less plexus. More gospel.

  • Sarah Morgan

    Great post!! Thanks for sharing.

  • Tiffany Morrison

    I want to make a comment about physicians. I am a nurse of 25 years and even if a physician makes 150,000 a year, no one sees their sacrifice. What do people think if someone went to business school for 11 years, what would their income be? And do they have several hundred thousand in student loans. In the course of their life, do they miss their daughters first dance, the recital, the prom because they were in call? Are their physicians that don’t care? I guess so. Just like there are teachers, mailmen, Factory workers, congressman, etc. that don’t care but I can assure you, for the crap they put up with, they started out because they did care. Most of them have the majority of their staff, working on billing just to get paid. What others business has to do that to get paid for services rendered. Not to mention every person who wants a pill to fix an issue instead of being personally responsible for their health. It is a partnership. Anyway, just wanted to state that in 25 years of working with physicians, I have never seen one that didn’t care

  • itallbeganwithpaint

    I have friends that take Plexus, and will easily admit, that I bought 2 bottles of the Biocleanse because of pressure from a friend- more or less just to make her quit asking me to join. It did nothing more than what the company I already buy my herbs from. I cancelled my subscription, for I buy from NSP, they do extreme testing, and I am happy with what I get. A lady from church , who almost never talks to me because I am not cool enough ( like believing that the world looks so fun, but I’m going to look like a Mennonite on Sunday), sought ne out and tried to hook me with the line that I don’t need to change any of my diet, just take pills. It seems like Plexus is the answer instead of God. You have emotional turmoil in your marriage, try Plexus, it calms you. Plexus helps you meet new wonderful friends. Plexus friends are true friends, as they help you pursue your goals…. I have been through enough hard times in my life to know that to have anything make a difference, I need to change. People don’t like to hear very much the miracles God has worked in my heart, but oh the Plexus testimonies are revered. It takes time and effort on my part to go out and be true friends where as Plexus makes you have friends without even trying. Instead of talking about God, they talk about Plexus. Instead of making money with a job they can stay home, moms let their children with their husbands or babysitter and fly all over for Plexus stuff. It seems like everything that is not ideal is excused and a blind eye because they do Plexus. Do Plexus- as in do good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven. I am not against pills, for I take them if I have a need. But it seems like we are put on the right side or the left by if we do or do not do Plexus, instead of if we do or do not do right.

  • Anonymous

    Question: “What does the Bible say about MLM (multi-level marketing)?”

    Answer: The Bible does not address multi-level marketing specifically, but it does give some principles regarding providing goods or services in general and our involvement in them. MLM companies have been a frequent subject of controversy and lawsuits because of their similarity to illegal pyramid schemes, price-fixing of their goods and services, high initial start-up costs, emphasis on recruitment of lower-tiered salespeople over actual sales, requiring associates to purchase and use the company’s products, frustratingly complex compensation schemes, and the cult-like techniques that some groups use to “hook” and keep those in lower tiers.

    There is nothing illegal about most MLM companies, but are they a good fit for a Christian? Both spiritually and physically, God gifts us with abilities. He also intends for us to use all of our abilities on behalf of others, not solely for our own gain (Acts 20:35). We are also told to “consider others better than yourselves (Philippians 2:3). This focus on serving others, seen in Christ Himself, is reflected in the frequent use of the word give and is a general principle of Scripture. The contrast to a focus on giving is a focus on getting, also called “greed” or “covetousness.” As Christians, our life focus on giving should also be reflected in our chosen occupation in which we seek to give to others through our work. It is true that our employers should reasonably compensate us for our labor (Luke 10:7), but our primary focus should not be on what we receive.

    There is another principle found in Scripture that applies: you can know a tree by its fruit. While this principle specifically concerns being able to identify false teachers (Matthew 12:33), its application extends beyond that. According to one business teacher who has spent a good deal of time researching 350 MLM companies, over 90 percent of the people who become involved with MLM companies end up leaving those companies in just a few years. He also found that, on average, 99 percent of those involved with MLM companies end up losing money (see http://www.mlm-thetruth.com). These statistics alone say something about a company that uses the multi-level marketing technique as its primary way of selling its product.

    As with any business/financial venture, the Christian’s first responsibility is to obey the Lord’s command that we love one another (John 13:34) and Paul’s admonition to “Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves” (Philippians 2:3). Seen from that perspective, for the Christian, MLM would seem to be a less-than-ideal enterprise.

  • Anonymous

    Recently I requested a bible counseling meeting with leadership because of the gospel of plexus I am repetitely being forced to listen to by several members every Sunday several times after service. I mean I get bamboozled even though I decline politly and tell them I am not interested and then the sales pitches become more aggressive! The Lord leads and the enemy pushes. It started with one person I was close to and it has spread like wildfire. When I ask them for prayer it is replaced with a plexus pitch. It reached a serious point when during a hymnal, money was collected. The ambassador moved to another seat claiming they were cold. Right. I was distracted, confused and upset the rest of the service. This has become a serious stumbling block for me now and cannot connect with these people I was once close to and fellowshipped with and found myself avoiding then. Sunday fellowship lunches were changed to plexus meetings and in was excluded.

    Anyway, leadership told me they couldn’t micromanage everyone and what they were doing wasn’t a sin and I should examine unconfessed sin in my heart and check my pride.

    Thank you for thisharing blog.

    Praying.

  • Excellent post. The over-spiritualization is definitely what bothers me most about the common Plexus sales pitch. God should not be used to sell a product. In addition, many of my ‘ambassador’ friends are constantly bragging about how much money they make and how much money you COULD be making. As if, that is all that is important in life. I was brought up to not discuss finances or to brag about your full bank account. It’s not very Christian or polite. And sadly, as a fair-weather Christian, this sort of marketing only pushes people, like myself, further and further away from a community of people who claim to be doing His work.

  • Prudence

    Hi Asher,

    I’m coming to this post a little late, but I’m really enjoying your blog and think I will follow. Forgive my ignorance, but I guess I didn’t realize the Anabaptists were still around! I was just reading a wonderful historical reference to Anabaptists.

    Anyway, I suppose you, like many of us, don’t fit within a certain stereotype, natural vs. medical or whatever. 🙂 I believe there are many good doctors, but there are also many issue with so-called modern medicine (some of which isn’t modern at all). My family is extremely holistic…I really don’t medicate my kids, we have amber necklaces, we are trying to get rid of mosquitoes non-toxically (with puddle-ponds after rains in TX, this is a BIG deal, people 🙂 ).

    BUT. I also recognize that there will inevitably be those who hop on the natural bandwagon, not primarily for their families and not primarily to help others, but to corner the market. “X medicine is bad! Here, take this instead!” And THAT is something we need to be wise to.

    I sell NOTHING, and it’s not because I haven’t been asked. 🙂 If I suggest elderberry syrup, chewing garlic, or not __________, I don’t make a dime either way.

    But my main point: I think the issue of worshipping health is a little tricky. For one thing, I know almost no one who does. There ARE people wanting a quick fix rather than a lifestyle change, whether that quick fix is a pharmaceutical pill or a protein shake. But when someone is sincerely trying to be as healthy as he can, willing to give up refined sugar or whatever else, I haven’t really seen that be an idol. (Fear of being overweight or not *appearing* fit is different.)

    I think the main issue is that every MLM requires building a downline. To invest that energy, you have to really, really believe in the product, and I am sure that those on my friendlist selling it really, really believe in it. I believe the other issues, how it hurts friendships and so on, are all secondary to the MLM and *inevitable* market saturation that comes with them. In other words, most people will have scruples about promoting a product they have serious doubts about and aren’t taking. But they don’t have quite as much of a problem promoting a product that they believe has to do some good, and they are sometimes quick to assure that it will even help financially. One of my friends was even told something like “Maybe God is bringing this to you” AFTER a spiel about how it might be 2 months before the business starts paying for itself.

    That is VERY unethical, and perhaps that touches on the issue of “spiritualizing” you mentioned. I absolutely believe we can be healthy to the glory of God. As we maintain humility, I believe we can learn more and more about how to take care of our amazingly designed bodies, NOT work against them.

    But I will always, always be skeptical where a highly specific product is involved.

    • Prudence

      Oh, I also wanted to add, being very familiar with severe mental issues, I have been in a unique place to re-evaluate as well. It is easy to say that something is simply “God’s will,” yet I’ve seen personally (and my newsfeed is full of) rages, aggression, uncontrolled bloodcurdling screams (from an *adult*)…it goes on and on. What causes this? A specific *mental* disability that is often greatly improved by drastic diet changes (and other measures).

      I don’t believe it is as simple as “God’s will” (though I’ve certainly heard this) or even “sovereignty” for siblings to be targets of physical aggression and live in a volatile home due to disability. My heart breaks for these situations, with me having *lived* it, and I am anxious for these families to get help, real help, as soon as they can. When they aren’t sleeping for days due to the screaming, I can’t call them into question for being *too* obsessed with feeling just a little bit better.

      I don’t think that most who take to the alternative lifestyle are obsessed with *perfect * health. I think more often they are in indescribable pain of one type or another. (But all that being said…the last thing I recommend to them is a specific product/ company. 🙂 )

      It’s about perspective. “Balance” seems to be urged often from those who haven’t lived these harrowing situations and, God willing, never will.

  • Perry

    I’m glad you’re taking a stand against the polluted gospel this system appears to push. The American church needs to slough off all the trappings we have drowned the gospel in and get back to preaching Christ and Him crucified. Anything else is just a bargain made with our materialistic obsessions, trying to make ourselves feel good about our selfishness.

    • Anonymous

      Is it a coincadence that they only ones defending this plexus garbage are the only ones generating an income from it?

  • Steve Stutzman

    Wow…. Ok, a little late to the game, I see. I thought the blog was balanced and well written. The fact that it took Plexus to task, as opposed to other MLMs at the moment, was also legitimate, as much as that might sting. I would have been/be inclined to try some pink drink myself…. but I haven’t been able to choke my way past the gag reflexes that come up when it is jammed down my throat. I may not be the average consumer; but approach me calmly, with documented, non-aligned research, and give me time to mull it over…. or I am out.
    Your main point about the confusion between health and the pursuit of Christ was good. We do seminars, and I see more miracle healings in a year than I thought I would witness in a lifetime. Yet somehow, I am loathe to speak of the miracles in public: I do not want folks coming for a physical miracle, I want them coming to seek Christ. That tension you speak of in the op seems to be in play many places.
    Thanks for taking the time.

    • Rebekah

      Spot on response.

    • Anonymous

      Yes yes yes. My sick Neighbor heard the gospel of plexus by a brethren. Smh!

  • Here’s a follow-up post that deals with the question, “I’m sick and I’d like to feel better, do I worship my health?” http://www.asherwitmer.com/im-sick-id-like-feel-better-worship-health/

  • megan

    I have been puzzled over the Plexus debate for quite some time, and thought this article was well written and well researched. I had one concern as I read it and the comments. The thought expressed that Christians do not “deserve” good health and the concern that some people are “overly obsessed with their health” are correct to an extent. However, as I have done lots of research over the last few years into the American diet, I am appalled at our selfish habits and the consumption of mass amounts of foods totally absent of nutritional value. I feel many of us Christians want to continue our poor eating habits and go to the medical doctors to get prescription drugs to keep us alive without having to change our lifestyle. In my mind this is more of a problem than someone who wants to make an effort to eat healthy and take a few supplements to avoid living on prescriptions some day. I also feel people are quick to point fingers at those who choose nutritional means to try to feel good after the medical doctors say they can’t help; but it is rare that anyone addresses the unhealthy Christians relying on prescriptions to mask symptoms. Many American doctors will tell you that their patients want a pill, and won’t change lifestyle, which is the same thing Plexus users want. This comment is not entirely related to Plexus, but an issue that is often brought up in the same conversation, and causes me confusion as well. By the way, I believe the medical field is wonderful when we need it, but that God intended us to be healthier than we are by eating real food that can actually nourish our bodies.

    • Anonymous

      Yes!!!! Plexus has been medically proven to be addictive!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    I occasionally take Advil when I get a bad enough headache. If people were to tell me that Advil is not a good product, that it causes coagulation problems, that it’s known to be hard on the liver, and that I should reconsider my use of it (all valid points)… And even if they were to bash the company, the owners, the VP of marketing, it just would not elicit an emotional response from me. It would not.
    I think I’m most troubled by the emotionally charged reactions I’m seeing. It’s a challenge to me to evaluate what stirs me emotionally. What makes me defensive? What makes me angry? What makes me want to attack and hurt? When do I criticize first and care later? What am I so emotionally invested in that I can’t or won’t see someone else’s opinion as worthy, even when I don’t agree with it?
    Please Jesus, may my emotional reactions be a reflection of His heart.
    Keep writing Asher, for His glory!

    • Anonymous

      No one is selling / pitching anvil at church though.

  • Ryan

    Thanks for writing Asher, there are a lot of good thoughts here to think about. I find it sad that far to often we hear something we don’t like, or something we don’t agree with and instantly jump to our preconceived thoughts and ideas and totally miss the good that somebody is trying to communicate. Personally I thought you had a lot of good thoughts, and didn’t say anything demonizing plexus, it just happened to be a current example. Maybe you should have used something else as we never seem to be able to openly think about the situation at hand because it is to personal to us. Or maybe we just need to learn to think about things and not just jump to our preconceived theory’s.

    Personally I am neither for or against plexus. Personal I don’t need it and don’t take it. If I had need of the specific things in it, I would probably use it. But what I will say is that the comments of some of the ambassadors on this post did a lot more to make me pledge to never use it, than to convince me its a wonderful thing.

    I also find it ironic that people will comment accusing you of assuming things and saying things that you totally did not say, and from what I know of you from reading a lot of your other posts, do not believe in any way. It seems as that by their comments they are doing the very things of which they accuse you of doing. To a random person that does not know you at all, reading your post with preconceived ideas, I can see how they may have possibly had a few misunderstandings and missed the point. But the fact that there are suddenly lots of people reading and commenting on this post who have not seen or read anything of yours before seems to show that to them it is a personal thing with plexus and that they totally missed what you were actually saying, and were only here because plexus was mentioned.

    There are multiple comments that seem to provide additional proof that what you were saying in your post is 100% correct.

  • Thanks for writing, Asher. I can see your heartbeat is for putting God’s kingdom first, and I greatly admire that.

    • Anonymous

      The group selling plexus at church defend their position saying they serve as if that exonerated them some how.

      I’m known many a church goer that served in the capacity giving them easy access to molest children.

  • r.m.

    As someone who has a chronic illness and has been offered Plexus as yet another cure after years of being tested, treated, and changing treatment plans, this article was timely in that it challenged me to kindness and compassion to those who are selling Plexus. I have considered and researched Plexus and said no, simply because they could not answer many of my questions about various aspects of the product. However, that wasn’t an okay answer, because they are continually asking. Years of study and research on my condition and many different treatments out there have taught me to be cautious about anything offered as a cure-all. I cannot jump into treatments without more solid information about specifics of the product. I do struggle with obsessing over treatment plans; it certainly can become a god to me because I WANT to “feel better” physically.
    I cannot see others’ motives; I can only guess at what they seem to be. Perhaps I am wrong sometimes, in how I perceive them.
    That being said, I want to be Christ like in my responses, and this post came at a time when I was crying out to God for His help in a response to someone trying to sell me Plexus, yet again. Had Asher not specifically mentioned a company, it would not have spoken to me so directly. Praise God for Asher being true to the Holy Spirit. I do not sense that he posted out of hate or wanting to stir up controversy, but rather because God prompted him. Perhaps it was simply for this chronically ill Christian who struggles to have Godly responses to well meaning high pressure sales people who have complicated my daily battle with health by yet again offering me their solution. My desire is to have a soft answer that turns away wrath. I was convicted to turn my rankled feelings over to my Father for His refining power, and to reply only after HE has empowered me for my response. I don’t want to grieve Him by entering into an argument or controversy, adding “fuel to the fire” and helping to distract from Him. I want my life and my responses to point people to Jesus, to reflect that He is foremost in my life.
    May we all be ambassadors for Christ, and may He be glorified whether we are ill or healthy. As I have surrendered to the circumstances God has allowed in this season of my life, I can truly say He has been able to bring Glory to Himself through my illness and have been able to see blessing in it. I have been able to speak for Christ in many times and places I wouldn’t have been in had I not been ill. Christ has become more real to me in my times of physical distress than I have ever experienced Him before. An amazing and lovely place to be.
    I believe I am accountable to God for my passions, my stewardship of my health & wealth, and my attitudes toward and criticism of others.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for your testimony and perspective! Praying for healing for you, if that’s His will! Blessings to you!

    • r.m. Thanks for commenting. I am hearing more and more of testimonies like yours. I am challenged by your honesty, transparency, and openness to God.

    • Anonymous

      Yes!!!! These people pride themselves as plexus ambassadors instead of ambassadors for Christ!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Hi Asher,
    I prefer to remain anonymous for various reasons. There are a lot of good things here! And I believe you have a sincere heart for drawing people to the Lord! I don’t agree with everything you’ve said here, however, and I believe there is some misinformation that has already been mentioned in the comments.. But someone shared this post this morning and it resonated with me! Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe this might be closer to what you intended to say! Blessings to you! http://www.alifeoverseas.com/the-cult-of-calling/

  • Hilda

    Hey Asher,

    After I read this I thought… Well… I better not say anything since you will probably misunderstand it anyway. But I consider you a friend … and friends take risks for each other sometimes. ☺Just like you did by writing this post.

    There are definitely things in this post I totally agree with! Like …
    “We need to evaluate and realign our priorities in life around Jesus Christ and being a faithful disciple and disciple-maker of Him.”

    God has also been teaching me lately… through various means that we CANNOT criticize the journey another brother or sister is on, because we have not walked in their shoes. And I haven’t walked in your Shoes Asher, so I need to give you grace for your opinion as I would like grace for mine. I realize that everything I say here is my perspective and I won’t get it all right. Sorry I can’t say it in fewer words. LOL. ☺

    Please pretty please don’t categorize this as “hate mail” either. Frankly that bothered me. I hear a lot of that in our culture when referring to other Christ followers… “he got his head chopped off for it”, or like you said “hate” mail. Really? I’ve seen people that were voicing genuine concern and love get accused of both of those when they weren’t hateful at all. We may never agree on some issues but surely we can disagree without “hate” being anywhere close? I sure hope so!

    Oh and another thing that you said that I say a hearty AMEN to…
    “Make sure God is on the throne of your life. And if He is, His love will overflow from you to those around you, even when you don’t agree with them. Your life will shout His glory. People won’t see your righteousness; neither will they see your Plexus bottle. They will see and experience Jesus.”

    Let me just say that I have seen that very thing lived out by plexus ambassadors all around me. ☺

    Now I’m gonna be blunt (you probably know me well enough to expect that). ☺ I think there are a few things in this post that honestly hindered the message more then helped it.

    You said that people making money from it isn’t the issue… but then go on to try and prove that it is the issue…? I find that interesting… Then you get into comparing the ingredients with red bull? Ok that shows me how misinformed you really are. The form of green coffee bean that plexus uses in the slim is not a stimulant and contains the less caffeine then decaf coffee. But they are required by law to say that it contains less then 2% caffeine even if it’s only trace amounts. Anyway… moving on.

    You say your were just using plexus as a relevant example. And If that really is the case, why all the negativity about it? I don’t have a problem with you using plexus as an example if you would have stopped there.

    “Again, getting rich isn’t the issue. But getting rich on something that may be dangerous is an integrity issue.”

    You are questioning the integrity of people that sell it? Ok that’s where I feel you went too far. And that makes me sad. I know you enjoy controversy and good discussions etc… But why would you degrade others while doing so? If questioning someone’s integrity isn’t that then I don’t know what is.

    I have friends who sell Chemicals. I believe chemicals are harmful. They sell the kinds that get sprayed on crops and cause cancer and lots of other harmful things and yes there are studies to prove it. Should I be pointing that out to them? If they have seen the studies and statistics, they have chosen not to believe them. And frankly… I understand why. Just like me, as a new mom, trying to find my way through the muddled information about Vaccines. WHO AM I SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE? We are assailed on every side by information. And honestly I don’t know who has the perfect answer. So we pray and ask God to give us wisdom to make the decision for “our” family and our health. He did that. He DOES that. And I LOVE that about him. Speaking of “testing” for safety of supplements… have you ever watched or heard a prescription drug commercial? Those are “tested” and have long lists of known side effects… including death. And… they are approved by the FDA. “Yay… sounds safe to me!”… said no one ever.

    Did you ever notice a thread on facebook about the topic of Immunization? It can get very heated and nasty in no time. It’s because of this… We as parents believe we are making the “RIGHT” choice for our precious kids no matter what side we come out on. And that is based on our level of knowledge and what or whom we have been listening to. And that’s how life is with Google in 2016.

    When it comes to health we are the same way. We firmly believe that we are caring for our temples. And as we go through life God keeps showing us things we need to change. Ever meet someone who one day was addicted to mountain dew change his or her ways? YES! Just like growing in our relationship with Christ… he shows us things… we change. Is he ever patient though? LOVE that about him too.

    The way I care for my body and the way you care for yours might look different. You might trust the Medical system more than me. I might have found natural tools that have helped me. That doesn’t mean you hate herbs or I hate doctors. It simply means we have differing opinions. Neither is wrong.

    “Good stewards are disciplined, don’t over-eat, and live within the margins of their physical abilities. People who worship their health want to live their lives, but they want to be able to feel good while they do it. Most testimonials of Plexus resemble the later more than the former.”

    You use the term “feel good” as if that’s the reason people take plexus. Let me enlighten you a little. For “most” people who start taking plexus (and any other supplements too for that matter) they have exhausted the medical options that are available to them. A doctor looked at them and said… “Your child has chronic allergies, and there is nothing we can do medically for that”. Or maybe another doctor simply prescribed a steroid drug to mask the symptom. If you find answers to that through natural products then it’s NOT just about “feeling good” anymore. Honestly… on a personal note… Michael and I were told a little over 4 years ago (by the top fertility doctor in our area) that we would never have a baby without resorting to in-vitro fertilization (a $10,000.00 procedure with a 60% success rate). We took that information to our Natural doctor that we had been working with (he is also a Christ Follower). He recommended a few natural supplements (maybe $150.00 worth). And literally 3 weeks later we were expecting a baby. I’m sure you wouldn’t argue that God used those natural products to bless us with a child. And I will unashamedly give GOD the glory for what he has made and the tools he has given us to do it with.

    And about the issue of spiritualizing our health…
    “The reaction to this concern is usually, “We’re just giving God the glory. You spiritualize things too.” My response to that is no, I don’t. And no, you aren’t.”

    I strongly disagree that you shouldn’t spiritualize things. Fact is you cannot separate the physical and the spiritual. Yes if your focus is off, and you are using the “spiritual” for personal gain then it’s wrong. Your statement above is assuming the motives and thoughts of another person. I most definitely WILL get God involved in my journey through life including my plexus business. Fact is it’s wrong not to. And if God heals me through the skills of a medical doctor I give God Glory for that too.

    In response to what you wrote about promoting for financial gain. You will find out that when a group of Ladies are together they will always always be promoting a product to each other, or a doctor or other health care provider. If I find something that works for me (even if it comes from Wal-Mart) I’m going to share that with others. The reason so many are sharing plexus is because it’s so effective. If it weren’t effective it wouldn’t be popular. For some of us it’s a business. A very rewarding one I might add (and I don’t mean financially either… although that is a blessing).

    By the way… I don’t understand why people bother being annoyed buy plexus FB posts when there is a ‘un follow posts like this’ button so handy. Or ‘un follow’ all posts button. ☺

    I feel like you aren’t a fan of plexus… and that’s totally ok! But I think the root issue (disclaimer… this is my perspective, correct me if I’m wrong) here is you do not like the natural health movement period. You trust in the American Medical Association more than some of us do. That’s ok. Maybe someday when you or a family member is faced with a health issue that cannot be resolved medically, you will change your mind.☺ But until then… let’s give each other grace during the journey. Let’s not be questioning the integrity of people who sell something we aren’t “sure” about because it’s “untested”. As Christ followers we are expected to practice the Golden rule in word and deed.

    Thanks for reading and at least trying to understand my rambled thoughts. ☺

    God Bless!

    -Hilda

    • Wanda Sensenig

      I totally agree with this reply! There were so many things in his article that I did not agree with and you covered it so nicely! 🙂

    • Wow, Hilda! I’m not exactly sure how to respond. To be equally blunt with you, it feels like some pretty hard knocks.

      There are a lot of assumptions in your comment. A few, I can see where you would get that impression. But most of them feel like simple conclusions you made based on what I did NOT say. Somehow it’s okay for you and the other ambassadors to do that, but each of you accuse me of doing it, and that it was wrong. That’s one area that kind of confuses me.

      I actually do not enjoy controversy. I hate arguments. That’s not why I wrote this. I get a knot in my stomach when tension mounts or when I know there is controversy coming. I certainly don’t go looking for it. There have been a few posts in the last year that I wrote that ended up being quite controversial. But when I wrote, many of them I didn’t realize were as touchy subjects as they are. Some of them I knew would be touchy (including this one), but sensed a real leading of the Spirit of God to address it. So I did. But it wasn’t easy. I do not enjoy it! You might. I don’t.

      I wanted to address an issue: misplaced priorities. Plexus exposes that more than anything right now. (btw, the feedback I’ve gotten on it reveals that. There have been a few people who took serious issue with the post. But by far, most people have been appreciative and supportive of the article. I’m not saying that as a challenge for others to round up everyone to come and criticize it, but simply to cause all of us to stop and think, and evaluate what could really be going on here.) So, I wanted to address that issue, but in order to use Plexus, I wanted to do research so I wasn’t just throwing more opinions in the wind. We don’t need more of those. Many more people would take issue with me if I just shot out opinions. Rather, I cited legitimate concerns. I’m not the only one with these concerns. Many medical professionals and natural nutritionists share these concerns. I would love to see actual studies on the product, because that could put to ease many of my personal concerns. I am not opposed to Plexus. I don’t attack it or condemn it in the post. I don’t condemn those involved. I raise legitimate concerns. Yes, there are concerns with other drugs, but the fact that they disclose all the possibilities is a sign of integrity. Why can’t Plexus do the same?

      Furthermore, I am as frustrated about our current medical system as anyone. I do not have more trust in them than natural remedies. My Mom was hugely into natural remedies. She also had a keen ability to detect irrational fads. But I am not opposed to natural medicine. That’s one paragraph I wish I would have changed. By referring to them being “natural fanatics suspicious of doctors killing your newborn babies,” I came across as if because you prefer the natural you’re in that category. That’s not what I was saying. There are people who are natural fanatics suspicious of doctors killing your newborn babies. But there are also people who are into natural medicine who do not fall under that category. Furthermore, there are medical doctors who, while also using pharmaceuticals, are into natural remedies as well. Simply put, there is so much I did not address that you concluded about me. And that hurt.

      I know many people who use Plexus. (Thanks for enlightening me.) Several people who use it, that I know, have chronic sickness and desperate for answers. Some of them aren’t sure Plexus is really working. Either way, that’s not the point. The point is, I also have friends who became radical Plexus ambassadors on Facebook. Their testimonials (as far too many testimonials are) were about the energy and weight loss. They didn’t talk about chronic sickness. They typically post pictures of themselves and talk about how good they feel and better they look. Yes, we can unfollow them, but it would be less obnoxious if people would simply make a page that would require others to choose to follow them. That would take a longer time to grow a following . . . but whatever.

      I’m learning as a communicator it is more effective right and speak narrowly than broadly. When someone tries to cover all their bases in one post, people get to the end of it wondering what the point was. They feel like it was a waste of their time. I’ve felt that about other people’s posts or messages. And when someone writes or speaks narrowly, it resonates much deeper.

      What I mean by “narrowly” is that I was addressing the issue of misplaced priorities. I was not address the legitimate issue of what if we have chronic illness and we’d like to feel better–does that mean we worship our health? I plan to write on that in a few weeks because that is a very real tension. (Btw, I am acquainted with that as well. I have had long-term pain of some kind whether in my back or in my knee for the last six years. I have a sister who struggles with thyroid issues. I have several aunts who struggle with chronic fatigue. I have one aunt who lives in intense pain because of arthritis. I have other relatives who struggle with serious health issues. I am not minimizing their struggles. I grieve with them. I feel with them as it relates to my own pain. Desperation in health struggles is very real!) But I did not address that aspect of the discussion because it wasn’t on-point. Many American Christians worship their health and wealth more than Christ. They depend on it for happiness. And they’re good with saving peoples lives as long as they have health doing it. That is a real issue. If that’s not true of you, you have nothing to worry about. But it is true of a large majority of people. It’s obvious by the fruit of their lives. That’s what I was addressing.

      So I left other things out in the process. I knew I did. I knew people might miss it because there are other dynamics to the discussion. But this is very real, very evident, and the feedback shows it.

      I have concerns for Plexus. I know it is effective right now. But there are studies that show that the ingredients used in Plexus products could be problematic. I cited those in the article. My concerns have to do with the long-term effect. But I am not opposed to the product. I wouldn’t have to take anything back in order for me or a family member to start using it, because I never condemned it. I get impression that you and other ambassadors want me to condemn it. Then there would more legitimacy to your frustration with this article. But I didn’t. And I won’t. That’s not the point. Furthermore, there is simply a lot we don’t know about Plexus. My concerns could be completely unfounded, like you say they are. But until I see studies proving otherwise, they are legitimate. Can you point me to medical research done on the products? That’s an honest question. Not even the top ambassadors could do that–it felt like they more attacked me and my motives. It would be in the companies favor to disclose those testings if they have them and if they do not incriminate their product.

      I am not angry at Plexus or those involved. (Although, I have struggled with emotions of that kind after receiving this comment. . . from a friend who I thought would know me a little better.)

      I also feel with you on not liking when people claim to be “beheaded” when discussing things as brothers and sisters. I am confident, however, that had you received the emails and comments directed at you that you would also feel persecuted. I did not sense love, let’s put it that way. The unfortunate reality is that Christians do persecute each other. If we don’t like that, let’s just make sure we’re not doing it to others. I tried hard to target heart attitudes, not actual people. I’m sorry that I did not communicate more clearly in that way.

      Here’s what we can’t ignore: you and I give account at the end of our lives whether our treasure was in health and wealth or in Jesus Christ and leading others to Him. Whether we are goers or senders, every disciple of Christ is called to be actively making disciples of Him. Being ambassadors for Him. Plexus is distracting us. Can we get back into focus? (And no, Hilda. I’m not saying you need to throw away your Plexus Slim bottle. Unless, of course, you can’t get into focus without it. Then Christ says we should “cut it off.”)

      I would feel much more comfortable having this dialogue face-to-face. 🙂 We love you guys! Would enjoy hanging out with you all again!

      • Hilda

        I tried my best to say what I needed to say in a kind way, yet still communicate my honest concerns but I’m sure I didn’t say it perfectly. I’m seeing both of us are making incorrect assumptions. When I made the assumption about you not being a fan of the natural health movement I did ask you to correct me if I’m wrong. So I stand corrected. Looking back I don’t think it was necessary to bring up.

        I think you were brilliant when you used plexus in the title because it drew people in. And I don’t take issue with that. I’m still confused as to why the “questioning of integrity” needed to be included to make the point. Because… to all of us who sell it, it felt really judgmental. And, while I do believe you when you say you don’t have a ‘beef’ with plexus, or the people who sell it, to many of us it ‘appears’ like you do because of all the anti plexus rhetoric. I’m confident in saying that there are lots of people who feel the same way (including some who do not sell plexus), but they are staying quiet on here for obvious reasons. I would have totally done the same if God had not made it so crystal clear that I needed to speak up.

        I really do agree with what you were trying to say in your post about the issue of miss-placed priorities! It’s something we all need to be reminded of.

        We love you guys too. And I’m really sorry for where I have miss-understood and offended you by my comment. When I read your reply I was hit by the reality of all of our human-ness. It would appear I miss-understood you as badly as you miss-understood me. It’s so frustrating! We are all so annoyingly mortal most days. LOL. I definitely would love a face-to-face discussion too. If you didn’t live on the other side of the globe I’d tell you to come for dinner on Wed night. ☺

        • You are right. We are mortal and imperfect. Add the complications of online communication to a discussion by mortal and imperfect humans and we have a disaster in the making!

          If you are the Plexus Ambassador, coming half-way across the world for supper Wednesday evening shouldn’t be much of an issue, right?

          Okay, that was low. I meant it in jest. I don’t even know how much you make from it and don’t care–that’s not the point. 🙂

          I can see how people involved with Plexus could feel like it’s full of anti-Plexus rhetoric. But some people who are anti-Plexus feel like I stepped on their toes, as well. (Which indicates to me I landed right where I should have). I was explaining the heat behind the discussion, so that’s why I went a little more in-depth. (Btw, I was being quite facetious as I went through that part of the post.)

          The business practices of Plexus Worldwide do concern me. And they do a lot of people. The fact that there is a lot of medical research and so forth they don’t disclose is sketchy. There’s a lot we don’t know about what is in Plexus. They aren’t willing to acknowledge side-effects. That’s what I’m saying is a matter of integrity. The product doesn’t have to be perfect, but why can’t they disclose all the info?

          I have yet to have anyone other than Plexus Ambassadors take issue with me on that. I guess after researching the company even more, I am more concerned than ever that the motive is not actually for money verses helping people physically. So many documentaries are about the financial benefits without any testimony of how the product actually helped someone physically. Especially someone with diabetes or chronic sickness.

          • Hilda

            I laughed out loud about the coming across the globe for dinner because I’m an ambassador. 😆😂

            Since you brought it up I will just mention that as a gold ambassador (2nd lowest rank) with plexus I am very happy with my income. It’s still a hobby income but I’m very thankful. 😉 I’m a bit non typical and don’t have aspirations of getting to the top. It’s not like I think that’s wrong. It’s just not for me at least not now. 😊

            So I guess I’ll have to decline the invite to dinner until I’m making as much as my hubby. Lol. 😜

            As far as the clinical studies etc…

            I’m not gonna argue. You have the right to feel that way. I’m ok with it. 😊 Personally I feel like studies done on the individual ingredients is sufficient. Plexus is a young company with integrity and I don’t doubt that more studies will happen in the near future.

            The reason there aren’t more testimonies out the here about the chronic sicknesses you mentioned is because it’s hard to put those out there in a way that’s compliant. That’s where the claims start happening and plexus isn’t ok with claims. We can’t even use the “migraine” word in a testimony anymore.

      • Anonymous

        Yes!!!! The people who mostly endorse it focus as weight loss and the looking better vanity aspect first!!!!! Their FB posts have the before and after and then as a secondary aspect casually mention the “medicinal” properties as a side note. I had fatigue. I thought fibromyalgia and was pitched plexus ad nauseum. I went to my christian doctor who ran a cbc and it revealed low vitamin d. Easy $5 fix!!!! Saved $145 on an addictive, not natural, made in a lab chemical!!!!

        Vitamins and green smoothies in the morning restored my high energy levels in no time to efficiently perform my 2 jobs and volunteer work!!!!

        Smh.
        Smh.
        Smh.

        Praying fervently for the body of Christ here!!!!!

    • Prudence

      Hilda,

      May I share a couple of thoughts?

      There is an inevitable conflict of interest when someone is also selling a product or making money from recruiting. Whether it’s $15 or $1000, the conflict is there. I have to disagree: is nowhere near the level of passionate recommendation when someone is not also in business to sell something…except when they are convinced (right or wrong) that something could kill you (and in many cases they are right…we just aren’t ready to hear it at that moment).

      As for vaccines, I know that is a hot topic and I would love to connect with you if you are still searching regarding this. You can find me on facebook. 🙂

    • Anonymous

      Hilda so to use your example medical Marijuana is legal in my state. Is it OK if I sell it ato church?

  • Jenn

    BTW–I am a ambassador with Plexus but a non-typical one 🙂 So, please don’t put us all in the same box. I actually, agree with a lot of what your post says!! God has been speaking to me about putting more time and value into anything above Him! I praise Him for that and He does come first, if I ever feel pushed to make Plexus more than what His desire is, I will quit altogether.
    BUT—- (wait for it 🙂
    My husband and I feel like it would have been much better for you not to attack a certain company name. So I agree with the person who commented above, please re-read what she said and seek God’s Heart in this area of your life!! I remember a minister who came to our church for revivals several years ago and he told us the story of how when CLE came out with their light unit series, he went to homeschool conventions etc. and spoke AGAINST them!! And then later their family moved out of the country and they used the light units and he needed to repent of being so quick to accuse and God worked on him on the areas of brokeness and humility. It could be that down the road, someone in your family may need Plexus. Just something to think about brother!!
    ALSO: I took a class on Internet Marketing (before God worked on my heart) I know how this works, people post on any sensational topic to get their views up on Facebook, blog posts etc. You need to ask yourself if there is not even a tiny piece in your heart that was hoping that more people would follow your blog, buy your book etc. And I noticed that Hans Mast and you are often tagging each other and sharing each other’s things, this could be for moral support (God knows you need that right now) or it could be working on drawing more followers to both of you on FB and your blogs.
    Truth is, if none of the above is true, then I step back. The same God who works in my heart will work in yours. ❤️ Peace

    • Jenn, I’m not sure how well you know Asher. But knowing him like I do, I know that his heart’s passion is for people to know Jesus and pursue him with all their heart much much more than it is about criticizing any certain product. Asher’s primary readership and target audience for the blog is the conservative Mennonite world. And in the last couple years it is Plexus (not any other MLM) that has taken this population by storm. His message would have been the same and I’m sure will be the same with any other product – i.e Melaleuca, Shaklee, Pampered Chef, or Tupperware that would create such a devout following. It’s not the product, it’s his deep concern for Mennonites and Christians everywhere to desire Christ and follow him first and foremost above any life changing product, supplement, medication, speaker, preacher, book or any other thing that is tempting us to put our hope and faith in something other than Christ. But this blog post is not him saying that all Plexus users are worshipping the product over Christ, it’s his warning of that tendency – as it is most definitely a temptation and tendency. Generally focusing on the MLM industry would have not caused his message to resonate nearly as deeply since most of the other MLM businesses aren’t as heavily impacting his target audience at this time.

      He did also highlight a few risks and unknowns about Plexus, which is the only ethical thing to do if someone is to consider taking a product – he’s not saying don’t take it, he’s saying there may be risks you want to know about if you do take it and you need to know them and search them out. Searching out the risks of taking Plexus is not something a lot of Plexus ambassadors encourage people to do – some may, but not many. And I believe that was his motive behind highlighting some of the risks and reasons he wouldn’t take it at this point in his life. If a family member of his would decide that the benefits out way the risks for them, I don’t think anything he said here would he have to taken back.

      • Hilda

        Jenn,

        If we as ambassadors don’t like our motives questioned we do well not to question his at least not publicly. Good old fashioned Golden Rule here would do us all a lot of good. 🙂 I love me a good argument. But We can be kind. Just my two cents. I know I have growing to do in this area too.:)

    • Jenn, thanks for the comment.

      As I stressed in the post, it is not about judging Plexus Worldwide or the people involved, but a call for disciples of Christ to seek first His Kingdom and righteousness. We tend to value our health and wealth more than Jesus. If that is not who you are as a person or as a Plexus Ambassador, than you have nothing to feel threatened about. Like Marcel has already said, I simply used Plexus because that is the current, relevant example of how our misplaced priorities are being exposed.

      God forbid I would try to gain popularity by stirring up controversy!

      • Prudence

        Your reply comments are extremely gracious, Asher. Well done!

        Jenn–I don’t think someone’s warning about a product means that they need more brokenness or humility. At the *very* most they may be misinformed. Maybe. But as I mentioned above, there is NO product that is the only one of its kind. NO product is a savior (and no person, either, but I don’t want to discuss nasty presidential statuses as that’s not the topic at hand, haha).

        Therefore, people are well within their rights to criticize a product they don’t like. I am VERY holistic minded and VERY skeptical of MLMs (I’m a rare breed!). I use garlic, elderberry, and (recently) apple cider vinegar (YUCK!). But could someone post a strong warning about garlic? Yes, and it wouldn’t offend me, though I’d raise my eyebrows if anyone thought a collection of “garlic worshipers” was forming.

        Of course, the analogy breaks down here because God made garlic, but we could also argue about whether man has substantially altered some kinds, etc., etc. But the point is, I don’t think it’s appropriate for us to align ourselves enough with any one thing that we believe those calling it into question aren’t humble enough or we question their motives in other ways. (I will question the appropriateness of posts for sure, and I do so, as publicly as the original thing was posted. BUT I still have no way, no way at all, of discerning the person’s heart, without knowing a LOT more about him/ her.)

        • Anonymous

          This analogy would only apply if you were a garlic dealer and attempting to recruit and deal garlic so it doesn’t apply. Garlic and plexus so not the same thing. Garlic has several medicinal properties hence called God’s antibiotic.

  • Anonymous

    This could have been a good article- it has thought stimulation- you lost credibility when you used misinformation, assumption and outright untruths to shed bad light on a direct company you obviously nothing about that has grounded solid FACT. It’s always hardest to see our own selves. Let’s be honest – if your motive was solely to focus ppl back to Jesus you wouldn’t feel a need to bash a particular company- you could have chosen To keep it general. The nitty gritties you choose to highlight speaks the real truth. Be honest with yourself – than mayb the authenticity would shine a lot more clearly. I agree motive is absolutely everything – any aspect in our lives can become idolatry- we have to guard our hearts so closely. Let’s face it you write for a living to provide for your family. How convenient to choose a sensational topic that hits raw nerves .. Rather ironic isn’t it ?
    The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. John 10:10 why try so hard to speak death to a particular product that God is allowing to help thousands of ppl ? If your blog is truly about Christ and REAL life ??

    • Thanks for stopping by. I actually took a fairly middle-road position in this article because I am challenging everyone. I simply used Plexus, a very relevant example, to bring out the issue: valuing health and money more than Jesus and leading others to Him.

      Here’s a direct quote from the article:

      “There is a lot we don’t know about Plexus which is why I’m going to now just let that be. At the end of the day it’s up to you whether you want to take the risk or not (speaking of medical uncertainties related to the product). And if you succeed physically and financially, that’s wonderful! There’s no problem with that.

      “Here’s what we can’t ignore, though: everyone of us will give account of our lives, whether our treasure was in our health and finances or in Jesus and leading people to Him.”

      That’s the heart of this post. Not to demonize or bash anyone.

      I did my best to stay true to research I found, but if I used incorrect information at any point in the article, I’d love to be corrected with credible sources. Can you point me to some? If so, feel free to email me at asher at asherwitmer dot com.

      Thanks again!

  • Jesse Kropf

    Dear Asher, thank you for challenging us with the truth, even if you don’t make nearly as much money as some of those who come here to put you down.

    One of the things that bothers me about network marketing is the way it takes those who are called to be evangelists for Christ, and turns them into evangelists for a product and an opportunity. When I was in network marketing, I felt so compelled to be successful that I would talk to anyone who would listen about my great products and opportunity. I figured there would be time to talk to them about Jesus after they joined my downline. Most of those people, I never saw again.

    I am still in sales today, but now I will talk to someone about Jesus even if it costs me the sale. Which does the person need more, eternal life or something earthly? Why would I be more concerned about my bank account than about another’s eternal wellbeing?

    • Jesse, that is precisely the kind of people Christ calls us to be. Being in business is not wrong. Being in marketing or sales is not wrong. But in those positions, to still be ambassadors for Christ. Amen! Thanks for sharing!

  • Helen McFadden

    Asher,

    I am a Plexus Diamond. It just so happens that these Plexus products that have helped myself and hundreds of thousands of others come in a Network Marketing model. I have never seen so many people in just my downline alone able to organically grow a business because of products that worked for them (when “nothing else would”) and they became passionate about sharing them. If we were at Walmart, or another type of retail establishment, we would purchase them because they are that effective. It just so happens that we can purchase them wholesale for ourselves and then share with others. Because of our fair and generous compensation plan, please don’t fault us for becoming “wealthy” as a result. So many now healthy and grateful people I have met, had been praying for their health and finances, and feel that God led them to Plexus. Please don’t judge that. If you feel that we are abusing this spiritually, well it is what it is. We all know God works in mysterious ways. If it’s part of our testimony, then it’s part of testimony. Our job is to SHARE our stories, not sell, coerce, or embellish. Anyone who does that, won’t truly be successful, and that’s not how we train our ambassadors. We just say “share from your heart.”

    You clearly singled out our company, so I suppose there is some deep anger about us specifically that you felt led to put us all in a box and make what we are doing something “dirty”.
    If you only knew our culture. I was in (non – health related) network marketing for 16 years prior to Plexus with another company. When I left 7 years ago, I never thought I would join the industry again. I understand in some ways why the industry can get a bad rap, the common denominator is people, and unfortunately, people can do this business (and any business for that matter) unethically. But overall, due to our incredible owners, leadership & culture, I have never met so many kind, compassionate, grateful people who cannot believe a company like Plexus exists. We are able to impact lives in the most meaningful ways, in both health and wealth. I have seen people able to bless others with their abundance, myself included.

    I will pray for your heart, and your intent with this blog. It is so false, I can’t even wrap my head around how misguided you are. I am on in the inside looking out, with 3 and a 1/2 years of witnessing thousands of lives transformed.
    I pray your mindset 0n all this can be transformed as well.

    regards,
    Helen

    • Helen, thanks for stopping by. As I told Celeste, this post is not a judgment on Plexus or the people involved, but a call for disciples of Christ to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness. We live in a time when we value our health and finances more than Jesus.

    • Anonymous

      Helen,

      You don’t think $150 a month for an addictive chemical not natural and made in a lab is a tad bit steep for so many struggling when the only thing that it’s proven is weight loss easily attainable with diet and lifestyle change? Smh.

  • I don’t have any comment on Plexus, but man that graph! At the very least, it needs to make the bars commensurate with a coherent y-axis scale, which will completely change the look of the figure.

    • Yes, that graph is disconcerting. It’s an official Plexus Annual Income Disclosure Graph, but it does not give an accurate impression. Here’s a better one:
      plexus income charts

      • Byran

        Exactly! This is a much more reasonable depiction.

  • Barb Miller

    Thank you for this blog. I am one of those that are guilty of getting into a heated discussion about Plexus on Hans post on Facebook. Your blog made me revaluate my priorities as a Plexus ambassador. I have mix feelings about Plexus. I’m thankful that because of Plexus I have gain some knowledge about health. Gut health especially. I love studying about health. But thanks again for making me think.

    • Thanks for the comment, Barb. It’s wonderful you are able to gain knowledge about health–there’s nothing wrong with being healthy and learning how to better take care of out bodies. But our health, whether good or bad, is for the purpose of being and making disciples of Christ. Thanks for being an example to us all of humbly evaluating where we’re at. For you it may be Plexus, for me it can be politics or sports I get too involved with.

  • Hi Asher! Some on my Plexus team stumbled across your small little blog and sent the link to me. Not sure if you know me, but I am the top ambassador with Plexus. Clearly, you have a personal beef with Plexus or you would not of taken the time to single them out…your article could of been just at poignant talking about MLMs in general, but you chose to “call out” Plexus, so clearly…it is personal for you or someone you love.

    I am boggled by your opinions. Background on me…I LOVE JESUS…more than anything…including Plexus. My goal has always been do to all I do unto Him as we are commanded. Because of this mindset and my passion for the products (personal testimony…I won’t bore you as you clearly would not believe me anyways), I flew to the top of this company.

    Let me tell you…that income disclosure chart…it is a little low…and I am a diamond TWICE, so you can imagine the money I am making with Plexus. I guess my confusion is why…why so hateful and passionately are you against it. My dad is a missionary and I believe there are Kings and Priests in the world. You have to have those going and sharing and you have to have those SENDING…without Christians willing to send with their money…the Lords work cannot be done.

    I give above and beyond to my church…above my tithe…I did before Plexus and I do now that I am with Plexus! My pastor is on my team and LOVES Plexus and all the ambassadors changing lives in his congregation!! This is most certainly a heart and mindset issue for you.

    Here is what you need to understand…PLEXUS IS A JOB…it is a job that is rewarding, fulfilling and SO gratifying. BUT, it is not WHO we are…it is what we do. For those of us that are Christ followers, we feel incredibly blessed to get paid to change lives… You can mock us, try to make us look bad, and say whatever you want…but we are prayerful group…and we are not going anywhere.

    We have integrity in all we do and have a peace about that. I can tell from reading your bio we probably have LOTS of things we would disagree on if we were to ever have a theological discussion, but I hope that our love for Christ and desire to lead other to Him would be in sync.

    I challenge you to self reflect on your WHY…why did you take the time to write this? I will tell you I took the time (out of my very, very busy and amazing life) because I felt led to.

    As I read your little blog, I prayed for you and for your heart. Have a blessed day, sir!

    • Thanks for taking time to stop by, Celeste. This post is not a judgement on Plexus or the people involved, but a call to disciples of Christ to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness. In America we tend to value our health and finances more than Jesus.

    • Miriam Groff

      Thank you Celeste. I waded through their chaos and confusion and stumbled across this piece that you wrote. And it’s peaceful. Truly our heart as well. I am also a Plexus Ambassador and we love Jesus as no other. 💗
      And our family is excited and give God praise for Plexus!
      And if it sounds like I’m spiritualizing it, then I am. Anyone who knows me, knows that I somehow work Jesus into nearly every conversation! And that was long before plexus! He who is the center of our lives is also the outflow of our conversation as well! Thanks, again, Celeste.

    • Marylou

      Mrs. Celeste, as a casual observer, I believe your response made Asher’s point even better than he did.

      • Rebekah

        Agree, Marylou, plus I thought parts of Celeste’s response were belittling…

  • Gloria

    Hmmm… Maybe living on a teachers salary is a blessing. I can be protected from a lot of fads because I don’t have the money. I’m not opposed to plexus, but I certainly can’t afford all it recommends that I take. I may try some of it someday.

    I just think when I get to heaven Gods not gonna say “did you take Plexus, carry a 31 bag, eat trim healthy Mama, & use essential oils?”

    He will say “who did you bring with you? Did you sacrifice earthly pleasure for heavenly reward? Did you build my kingdom!”

    Disclaimer: I’m not opposed to 31 bags, essential oils, plexus, etc My point is that I am shocked often by how people can’t afford to pay school teachers more or give more in the offering because they are so tight but then they don’t blink an eye before they spend a hundred dollars at a party.

    • Amen, Gloria! Thanks for the challenging questions! “Are we sacrificing earthly pleasure for heavenly reward?” That goes into a lot of areas of our lives.

  • Alot could be said here but I’m just going to say two things. First, in pyramid schemes, only people at the top make money. I am at the lowest rank in Plexus and I am earning an income. Therefore, Plexus is NOT a pyramid scheme. Second, Plexus products work. I would not endorse products that don’t work. Since these products work, Plexus is here to stay, so it is not a fad.

  • Stan Sensenig

    I appreciate this article. A piece of the Plexus puzzle that concerns me… How many disenchanted church people are turning to the Plexus family for an “identity” and “acceptance.”

    Ten years ago, church life had become a huge drain to me on so many levels. I began to seek for belonging and acceptance elsewhere and in many ways I found it in a “family” similar to Plexus. Selling their product was something I was doing well in, and I was one of their top contractors in the nation. Because of my success, this company was so warm and friendly and would call me to learn how I was doing it. I received awards at their meetings and went to every meeting I could. I looked forward to those meetings because that was where I fit in and was recognized and was respected and my voice was appreciated and even sought out. I was a “success!” It had become my “primary identity”. And my “concerned” church brothers we simply jealous of my success, I thought. My interactions with them brought a knock against my success and against my identity and I began to dread going to church and sitting thru yet another meeting with “the ministry” in the counsel room hearing how concerned they were about how wrapped up I was in my business.

    On the outside I was a ‘successful” business man. However…. on the inside I was angry at my church brothers and almost unknown to me, I was angry at God. And wow – the slippery slope that was. Satan had me by the throat. The stronger my “busines identity” became, the less I felt I needed my brothers and the less I felt I needed God! And the less I felt a need for God and my brethren, the more I felt a need for something else. A vicious cycle.

    I say all this to say this…. I think the key in all this is “identity and “acceptance.” It is a God designed need every single human being on this earth craves! There are a million places people go to find it. Their job, the ambulance crew, the fire company, etc. Some people even try to find it in their church. They know how to say and do all the right things and the “powers that be” give them the same “identity” and “acceptance’ that many are finding in Plexus.

    But guess what! GOD NEVER INTENDED ANY OF THESE THINGS TO MEET THAT NEED! Instead, He designed that need to be met 100% in a loving, vibrant, warm relationship with Him! All these other things are substitutes. They will all fail at some point and will leave us down and when they do, we will feel used, abused and betrayed. And then what do we do? We look for another place to fill that need. And Satan makes sure we find one! And we are so excited and feel so loved and accepted until the next crash. But it is temporary and will all eventually disappoint. I just thank the Lord He got ahold of me and broke the vicious cycle with His outpouring of love into my life!

    There is plenty of fault to go around. I feel churches in general are responsible for setting their people up for this kind of failure by holding out an illusive offer of identity and acceptance. “Work hard enough and prove your loyalty to our group or our congregation and we will give you love and acceptance!” Over and above all, I think we each need to take personal responsibility for where we find our acceptance and identity. We need to be filling that need in Christ alone.

    And here’s the most amazing thing about this all: When we are truly finding our acceptance and identity in Christ, the other relationships somehow, almost magically fall into place. I can’t explain it. Maybe it’s because I no longer care so much if my secondary identities are viewed as “successful” or not. Or maybe it’s because those truly carnal people who used to abuse me with their “concerns” now see that I am satisfied and complete in Christ and they know they have to move on to someone else to offer their pseudo-identity. I don’t know, but It is an awesome reality.

    Sorry for such a long comment!!!!! Keep writing.

    • Stan, thanks for leaving a long comment. What a testimony! Amen! You bring out a core truth we all might subconsciously fight: all our needs for security and significance are met in Christ. At the same time, I believe why it’s so easy to look to other things or people to fulfill those needs is because God designed that people be apart of our experience of Him. That’s what the church is for: helping others become more fully aware of God’s love for them. Unfortunately, we often aren’t doing that. . . as you found out. And so we look somewhere else.

      In Christ our needs are met. Amen! Therefore, let’s go help others realize God’s love for them.

      • Jenn

        I have a question for Stan, since he is a pastor and has experience with marketing also. Have you seen any of the teaching that goes on with marketing (in general and mlm) that makes you think of new-age Christianity?
        I have taken a small amount of training and some of the things that are taught go against my spirit (so I have not taken more training).
        p.s. I am an ambassador with Plexus, so do not bash me, I am only asking a question.

  • Harlan Barnhart

    Interesting Asher. I was reminded of this quote.
    “In the beginning the church was a fellowship of men and women centering on the living Christ. Then the church moved to Greece, where it became a philosophy. Then it moved to Rome, where it became an institution. Next it moved to Europe where it became a culture, and, finally, it moved to America where it became an enterprise.” – Dr. Richard Halverson

    • Convicting quote, Harlan. Thanks for sharing.

  • Thanks for the article , it reminded me to take my Plexus!:) Hey all I know is the product works, folks’s life have been dramatically changed ! I don’t like mlm and am not involved for those reasons but am taking the product for several health reasons and have noticed significant improvement, I hope in a year I can get off of it for a year or more but I will take it while and whenever I need it, I don ‘t care how much the folks at the top make, it is still tons cheaper then the rip-off medical drs !

    • I praise God you are experiencing improvement in your health.

      Although, I’m not sure what’s more of a rip-off, doctors charging a lot to cover malpractice insurance in case of lawsuits agains them when people discover they aren’t God and can’t always heal perfectly, or people making tons of money on something they could produce for less.

      The bottom line issue is in America we worship our health and our pocketbooks. When it comes to doctors and health products the tension between the two is amplified dramatically. Health issues and solutions are a lot more complicated than writing off doctors, pharmaceuticals, or supplements such as Plexus. What we stand accountable for is where our treasure is.

  • A prayer warrior

    Thanks for writing this… We do personally use Plexus as our doctor has encouraged it particularly for my husband. I also have a dear friend who could barely walk to her car pre plexus now weather it was just God completely healing her or if God used the products to bring her healing i will never know but this i do know… God is the ultimate healer and we thank him for what He has allowed!!! This friend can now walk 3 miles and bike up to at least 12 miles. But I will be the first to tell you it’s not for everyone. It is so true about our attitudes and keeping Jesus first!! I hate seeing heated discussions on either side of it. Your right nothing should take the place of Jesus and He should have first place! Blessings

  • MaryRose Coyle

    Thank you for the well written words. I am a single mom who has not been able to afford any plexus products, but who has also faced a lot of pressure to start selling it to make money from home. As much as I’d like to make money from home, I said, “I can’t sell or promote something I haven’t tried for myself.” But the more I heard it bragged up, the more it repelled me from selling it because it did seem to get our eyes off of Jesus. The more I get boldness, the more I want to promote Jesus, the Lover of my soul, the One Who really does change lives today and paid for our divine healing and divine health and victory in our circumstances and salvation from not only our sin nature, but also from hell. I cast the thought of promoting plexus down as a thought that exalted itself against the knowledge of God. Thank you, thank you for hitting the nail on the head. Let’s keep prmoting Christ, and Him crucified!

    • Thanks for sharing, MaryRose.

    • Prudence

      A friend just told me today about another friend who was a single mom who went bankrupt from one of these businesses.

      As a single mom you have enough burdens to carry, and I am glad you were spared this one. I didn’t know there was a common-man’s Plexus recipe till Asher posted his friend’s, 🙂 but one of my mottos is that NO ONE has the monopoly on a type of product (in our country, in particular)–there is NO reason to overpay for anything believing that it is “the only one of its kind”–that is never true.

      I know God can provide a way for you to make money from home, if that is His plan, a way that does not compromise you ethically (which in my view, every multi level marketing does due to market saturation).

  • nelson plett

    Thanks for being faithful in writing. I actually can’t say whether I’m for or against Plexus! I beleive that money and our relationship with it is at the base of a lot of church struggles, personal etc. We tend to forget what God views as valuable isn’t what society views as valuable. Blessings Nelson

  • Henry

    Sounds to me like someone (Asher) is just a little bit jealous about the whole plexus thing. I’m sorry u didn’t put enough time and effort in it to be able to make some extra income and at the same time help people.
    I’m no plexus freak. I’ve heard about it, I’ve tried it, it worked for me. You’re contracting you’re self so many times in that long writing. You’re saying how heated the conversations can be and at that you write about something you know very little about. I be leave we are sinners saved by GRACE and if people want to try and live a healthy life, you should not judge them. You have no rite to judge people it says so in the bible.
    Jesus died on the cross and he made us free. We have the rite to live healthy if we so desire in fact these plexus users are just cleaning the temple.
    Seriously next time you want post something negative like this think it threw just a little more.

    • God bless you, Henry! 🙂

      • lkp

        my neighbor gave me some to try but i have 2nd and 3rd thoughts. i have a stressed liver and i have read some things that concern me like it messing up your liver if on it to long and some cases gained weight and the side effects (anxiety nervousness ect ) i have those problems now and dont want it worst.are the doctors giving any opions?

        • Mary H

          I would be willing to try to get some answers for you if you email me at PHEmary821@gmail.com. there are 16 different Plexus products. God bless!

  • Matt

    Thanks for taking the time and addressing this topic. Greatly appreciated.

  • Neal

    Asher you touched on the issues that have long concerned me about why we Anabaptist people are so gullible to the next health fad that comes along. We have a health fair in our community that would really depress you. It actually made me angry to walk those aisles and see the many ways that they were parting people from their money. I just avoid it anymore. People will spend more money on all kinds of vitamins and supplements than they would if they went to a legitmate doctor. I’m not against vitamins and supplements (take some myself). We could have pumped my father full of all kinds of medication but it wouldn’t have done him one bit of good. At 83 he didn’t want his life prolonged artificially and we honored that request. Hard as it was to let my father go, I am confident he is in a better place with Jesus whom he served all his life so faithfully. Great article. Thanks for sharing your heart and blessings for being honest.

    • Great testimony, Neal! Thanks for sharing. Yes, the point isn’t demonizing vitamins, supplements, doctors or products, but to evaluate where our hearts are. Do we have too great an affection for health (or money)?

  • I am impressed with your boldness and courageous post.

    May God heal the Church of the love of money.

  • anita troyer

    God bless you for following the Spirit’s prompting and writing this article. I have felt anger from friends when I’ve been honest about this (as well as other products) they promote. And I in turn am guilty of the same behavior toward them at times.
    The question you asked about what motivates my anger is key to understand my heart. Jesus said “where your treasure is, there also will be your heart”. I know that I need to do some heart inventory and answer this question. Thanks!

  • Ray

    Great read … I have only recently (2 weeks) even heard of plexus … guess that’s a testament to having good friends .. obviously no one tried selling it to us . Or perhaps it’s simply a consequence of living in the great white north ..At any rate l don’t come with much of a bias besides a general distaste for MLM. .
    Yes I believe with all my heart that Jesus is very interested in what I do with spiritual life he has given me , were he to ask me today what l have done with it , I would have to confess that way to often it has taken a backseat to lesser things that I none the less held in higher esteem . (Being right, making money , being comfortable , having kids that make me look like a good parent ect ect .) Thanks for confronting me !!

    Also you asked what makes me most angry … what make me most angry is when God is misrepresented … it eats me up . ( again I realize that this also is prone to be subjective )
    God bless you Asher I enjoy your blog .

  • Thank you, I appreciate this post. It is a good, balanced encouragement for all of us to keep our priorities straight and our focus on Jesus. I especially appreciate your point that how we make money must be with integrity and honesty. Our witness as followers of Jesus is at stake.

  • Charles Rohrer

    You might be wrong, lol! I come to the Plexus discussion without a strong opinion and with almost no emotion. It simply doesn’t matter much to me. (Actually if it was cheaper and I knew it would help I’d try some.) What gets me emotional is the way folks get upset about someone having a strong counter opinion! And I’m so used to heated rhetoric I hardly get emotional about that anymore. I’m somewhat of a tech enthusiast, and in following certain groups I’m surprised at the strong emotions that can go into brand loyalty. It’s even more surprising when it happens on Christian forums and social media…

    I think you’re onto something about our focus…the late Art Katz determined that western culture is built on the premise of the avoidance of pain. I’m not such a great sufferer myself, but that has caused me to ponder. Health in the inner man is so much superior to physical health and sometimes even brings healing to our outward maladies.

    Thanks for sticking your neck out on a controversial subject. That takes courage!

    • You’re exactly right. We do everything we can to avoid pain. And we’re puzzled as to why you wouldn’t.

      When our focus is aligned with the heart of God, we’re not going to go out of our way to experience pain, we’ll try to find relief from any physical ailments we may have, but that won’t be where our passion lies. We’ll seek His Kingdom first and His righteousness.

  • James Horst

    Being neither anti or pro Plexus, I have no axe to to grind with the products per se. I have heard some fairly hyped claims with regards to the products. You’ve touched on a much more important issue and that is the attitudes(dare I say, polarization?) surrounding Plexus. As Christ followers, we are called to model His life in every way. We should be more concerned as Christians about caring for each other’s hearts than seeing how many of our fellow church people we can get on whatever it is we may be selling/promoting. Does the latter part of that sentence occur? Yes, too often! If you are getting a lot of negative response, all I can say is: you’ve obviously touched a nerve. Your article is well written and balanced. Thank you! I always enjoy reading your posts, many times feeling a kindred spirit. However, I’m no wordsmith. Carry on brother. Keep challenging us to think.

  • Patty Petersheim

    Interesting. Educating. I must be too deep in liberal land to have heard of Plexus. Or maybe my head is in the sand. At any rate, I have gotten a whiff of conspiracy theorist thinking coming from Mennoland. This puzzles me. Because I have some good friends who happen to be physicians. They are normal, working class citizens with beautiful kids. Their family values are similar to ours. They happen to have chosen a profession that requires years of training and a heart for people. Because of their extensive training, they also carry considerable college debt. Their take home pay goes for paying debts and then frugally raising a family. Because of their high responsibility of caring for people’s health and because they face a high degree of accountability (think malpractice suits), there is a high probability for suicide among doctors. It is unfair for us to assume that those in Healthcare are “just in it for the money”.

    • You bring out excellent points, Patty. Thank you.

  • Rightly focused, well-reasoned, and life-giving!
    Thanks for this excellent insight!!

  • Andra

    C.S. Lewis said “If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probably explanations is that we were made for another world.” I have no health problems whatsoever, and at times I still find Plexus appealing, because it’s a promise for “More”. More life, more happiness, more energy, more weight loss. I feel like the outsider looking in and suddenly I’m wondering if I’m missing out on the good life.
    I believe that the desire within me for “more” is a desire placed there by God. Yet I’m easily duped into thinking that maybe that “more” can be found here. Suddenly, I do feel fatigued, and I’m sure I have “brain fog”, and my blood sugar must be off the charts after all. And subconsciously I begin to believe that maybe the answer is a product, or a lifestyle, or a new car, or a new sweater, or a vacation. The problem isn’t the product, the problem is with me and my desires that I so quickly try to fill with the junk of this world.

    • Profound insight, Andra! I believe you hit the nail on the head: “The problem isn’t the product, the problem is with me and my desires that I so quickly try to fill with the junk of this world.”

      And I love that quote by C.S. Lewis!

      Thanks for sharing!

    • pauline

      I love the way you have expressed your thoughts here! It seems to be reiterating Asher’s thoughts in a personalized way. Thank you.

  • Pat

    I’m sure this post will stir up its share of controversy!

    Personally, the way I look at Plexus is if it works for you, and you make money off of it to support your family, and it brings healing to your body, that’s great! I’m happy for you. I don’t think it’s idolatry to try to find solutions to health issues we have, and to want to be healthy, or to make money and build a business.

    As long as you allow me the freedom to say, you know what, I don’t want to be involved with your product, I don’t want to buy it, or use it, and I don’t want to feel pressured into using it — then we are all good.

    And, I might add — I have people in my church that use it, and friends that use it, and I never have felt any pressure from any of them to use the product. I’m sure other people’s experiences have been different.

  • Marcus Byler

    “we value health and money more than Jesus Christ and making disciples of Him.”

    This is what has bothered me most about this Plexus phenomena as well. I admit I too am often guilty of the same misplaced values.

  • Lisa Myers

    I enjoyed this very well written article. God bless you for writing it!

  • Ryan Hoover

    Thanks, Asher, for a balanced and fair approach. I appreciate your thoughts and thoroughness.

  • Asher, I hear your heart and I know how much courage it can take to publish something like this. So many times people come with an already-skewed mentality of what they will read, based off of what they already think . . . and can so easily miss the author’s heart behind his words. Thank you very much for posting this!

    I have never taken Plexus and don’t have much opinion on it besides that it greatly bothers me to see people elevating it so highly. Your points can be applied to many things, including books or Christian speakers. This has always troubled me deeply. When I hear someone mention how a certain book “changed their life”. I firmly believe there is only one Book that should ever get such glowing responses – the Bible. It is the blood of Jesus Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit that has the power to change my life.

    Something God has shown me is how I have elevated even my husband and kids to a place reserved only for Him in my heart. It has been humbling, but it has been so freeing to fall deeper in love with Him and only Him each day. We should not live for Plexus, our health, our wealth, our kids, or our spouses. In the end, we should live to bring Him glory and to hear those words “Well done, My child.”

    God bless.

    ~ Kendra

  • Jeff Birt

    You’ve shared my thoughts, not just on Plexus but on our obsession with our bodies and our insistence that we “deserve” perfect health.

    I have another concern with Plexus: to date, the only evidence supporting it is anecdotal. I want to see a randomized, double-blind study supporting its effectiveness. If I were Plexus, I would want to publish a study like this.

    • Yes, it seems study results on the product would be in their favor. Not sure why they haven’t done such.

  • Ezra Maust

    Thanks for sharing. God is the ultimate healer, and does not always choose to heal. I had an annointing in 1991, and God choose to heal me. I also had an annointing for my Transverse Myelits, and God has choosen not to heal me, I am OK with this.
    Here is a link to my message on acceptance of this healing emotionaly through this if anyone may be interested.
    http://00e61d3.netsolhost.com/images/Ezra_Maust_-_Forsaken_but_not_Forgotten_3-20-2016_160320-000.mp3 God is good in all situations and is in control. Isaiah 55: 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
    9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. May we keep peace in our congregations and not destroy it. Blessings Ezra

  • Dave

    I believe as well that many Christians in America have lost the purpose God has for us here on earth. I have been diagnosed with bone marrow cancer and the life expectancy is 5 years. I have found it to be a tremendous opportunity to witness to the grace of God. They have no cure for the kind of cancer I have but I’m on my 13th year. It is rare that I tell people what I did or am doing but I point them to Jesus who has given me grace, strength,joy, and purpose. I don’t use plexus.

    • Wow, praise God! Thanks for the testimony, Dave!

  • Romaine Stauffer

    I’m with you all the way. I must confess I’m slow because I never heard of Plexus until this year and when I did I immediately identified it as a fad. It’s a pyramid scheme like many others. I may be slow but I’m not gullible and those things don’t get a dime out of me.

    • Ken

      Just to clarify for you. Pyramid schemes are illegal, and are quickly punished by DAs all across the country. There’s a fundamental difference between layered commissions and a pyramid scheme. I’m not at all Plexus fan, but Plexus is nowhere near a pyramid scheme.
      Fact: Companies like plexus take a normal marketing and retail overhead cost and divide that over several or multiple layers of independant sales people.
      Fact: It grows much quicker with less overhead than a traditional business model with wholesale or retail stores and salaried sales people.
      Fact: There are some companies doing this Multi Level Marketing system without requiring any money to get started, and without requiring an autoshipment or minimum order amount. That’s the most ethical type of MLM that there is, because you don’t waste unmotivated people’s money.

  • Ann

    NOTHING out there heals everything. No doctor, antibiotic, oil, plexus product, or counselor. There’s only One Source of healing whether physical, spiritual, emotional or mental – JESUS. Thanks for the good thoughts and points. I was challenged. I like how you pointed out the faulty thinking on both sides.

    • Anonymous

      Right. So these “sick” people all get “supernatural” hearings from plexus then are condemned to hell.

      How does that work!?

  • Nancy Lapp

    Asher, I always enjoy reading your writings. My first thought was don’t put all the plexus people in the same box. 🙂 We have used the product for over a year and I have not made any money on it. We used it to heal issues that I was having and for my husband who was on 2 different prescriptions for pain because of back issues and needing surgery. They make more then just the pink drink. The prescriptions my husband was taking just to be able to work and walk were giving him horrible side effects and literally changing his personality. The Dr. was wanting to add more prescriptions to take care of the side effects.He started on the 2 different items from plexus and felt the same relief from pain. It took 2 months for the side effects to leave. That’s why people “spiritualize” the product. Because it was such an answer to pray. Yes we had prayed for healing. Since that my husbasnd had back surgery and he is a new man, recovery was great because of God and the provisions from God’s people. We don’t always get the healthy bodies we want, we get old, there genetics that are passed down, there are injuries that cause lasting damage.
    I appreciate what you wrote and your insight and concern. That’s why on my last trip I talked about my best friend Jesus to the guy sitting next to me on the plane rather then plexus. (Wow that sounds really self righteous) and like you said, its not just plexus but many things that take our eyes off Jesus. Blrssings

    • Thanks for sharing, Nancy! Praise God!

  • Irene

    Well written and thought provoking. I am saddened by all the hype in this and yes the emotion it brings out in people. May we turn our eyes onto Jesus and and the things of this earth will grow strangely dim.

  • Dwayne Sensenig

    Thanks for writing a common sense approach to a very heated topic… Good job!

  • Micah Kauffman

    Asher thank you for a well thought out, heartfelt article. It is also a topic that I have considered quite a bit as well. I personally have never been able to reconcile MLM fads with a follower of Christ world view. I think if we would be honest it only fits into a American dream model. I can’t imagine MLM making much sense in some of the countries I have traveled in where the biggest concern is where they might get their next meal.
    I also wonder if we as anabaptists are attracted to these opportunities because we somehow fail to earnestly seek God’s face when it comes to considerations for occupations and job opportunities. I wonder how many of us could honestly say that we know without a doubt that God has directed me to be a barn builder or dairy farmer. and so in our unsettledness we are drawn away into opportunities that we can somehow spiritualize and justify as Godly opportunities.
    thanks for you bravery in speaking your heart!

    • Good thoughts, Micah. Thanks for sharing them.

  • Lex

    Good read. I smiled when I read your intro. Usually when I hear about the miracle products that “change lives” I don’t think a second thought on it and if I do its only to joke at the miracle cures they claim. In my life experience (short though it may be) I’ve found that anything precious enough to people to involve their emotions is not necessarily precious to anybody else. This seems to be true for anything but especially controversial things like music, clothes, health etc. People expect to get grace for their quirks and beleifs but not all give it.

  • Cornelius

    I do fully agree especially with the point that it has to be spiritualized to be productive. The church in Pergamus was a church mixed with the world. God hates mixture. Call it what it is.

  • Jon

    Thanks Asher for being willing to just be an humble servant of God. “Life is the dress rehearsal for eternity”. How am I doing with that? Yesterday I was on an elevator going from 2nd-18th floor. A man and woman got on at 2nd floor going to 11th floor. I could tell they were stressing over something, especially the woman. I simply ask, how is your eve? (It was actually one o’clock am,I had flown in late, by now it was early.) She looked at me with tears in her eyes and said,”to be completely honest, life is just very complicated and confusing”. I said, “you know,that’s so true,but do you know that their is a God in heaven that is looking down on your situation right now and saying, look up, ask me for help”? The man that was with her laughed kind of sneeringly, but she looked at me with that, ” are you serious “? look on her face and then the elevator opened at 11th floor and they were gone. She did say on the way out the door, “thank you for those words!” Friends, each one of us has those “20 seconds of opportunity.” You could say I allowed God to get glory this round. Trust me, I blow it to many times. Just an encouragement to stay in the game and keep our perspective being an eternal one-Jon

    • What a testimony, Jon! Thanks for sharing it with us. It’s an encouragement!

  • Sue

    Thankyou Asher, for (again) addressing heart issues. I was made to think of the Scripture that says “For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” And another one.. A prayer.. “Search me, O God, and know my heart, try me and know my thoughts, and see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting”. The devil is so sly to get our hearts off track. And I, for one, am not above getting my focus off of Christ and what is my Mission here! And it’s so easy for me to float along, not realizing. I have come to the realization that it takes a Greater Power than my own, to know, understand, and discern my own heart! It is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. So thankful Jesus gave us His Holy Spirit. How I need Him.

    Thankyou for another soul-searching post. God bless your work here!

  • Katelyn

    Thanks for the post Asher! I’ve been thinking that there’s something going on here, not so much about Plexus, but what it reveals. I couldn’t put my finger on it though. This seems to get at that.

    • Yes, it’s not so much the product itself. But what the attitudes related to it reveal.

      • Darlene Gehman

        Asher ,
        Yes the attitude folks have when you express concern about the long term affect of the product. A dear friend of your mother’s is a dealer. I express my concern to her about the pink drink she was bragging about and she removed me off of her friend list on facebook. So that is a proof that I was an enemy to her. Gal 4: 16 Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? Also, John 13: 35 came to my mind when she responded.
        Also, When I said, something to another dealer about the company not telling what all is in the products, because she told me it would heal my liver disease. So, I did my own research and learned it would kill me. So, I told her I am glad I did not jump on the bandwagon, she will speak to me either.
        Darlene

  • Rosanna King

    Thanks for sharing your perspective on the Plexus fad.

    • You’re welcome Rosanna. I’m curious what your thoughts are on it. I know you have done/are doing a lot of study on natural and herbal medicine, and Marcel has a lot of respect for your work and input into the medicine field. From a medical perspective, what are your thoughts on Plexus? Maybe you’d rather not share, here. That’s fine. I’m just curious. 🙂

      • Rosanna King

        Not a direct answer to your question, but I did write a bit on Hans Mast’s plexus thread.
        I share a similar concern, broader than the plexus fad, with Christian people seeking health, even a savior, in natural health products.

        • Yes, I found that comment thread interesting to read. Thanks for sharing!